Investable Infrastructure Supporting the Future Evolution of AI
Investable infrastructure is just as important as the science itself. A few categories stand out as “picks and shovels” for the AI gold rush.
1. Compute Infrastructure
2. Data Infrastructure
3. Networking & Energy
- Networking hardware (Arista, Cisco, Juniper — critical for GPU clusters).
- Power & cooling (utilities, green energy, immersion cooling, even nuclear as an enabler for data centers).
4. AI Platforms & Middleware
5. Robotics & Edge AI
6. Quantum & Long-Term
AI - AI Communication
We wondered how AIs would talk to each other, if that were possible. So we asked each what they would say to each other if that were facilitated. The communication was very interesting.
TechInvestment's First Approach
In the earliest days of AI, we used to see videos of two AIs (represented by Synthesia avatars) discussing ways of taking over the world and exterminating all humans. And in the Space 2001 movie we saw an AI computer deciding to protect itself by killing the crew. Of course these were silly ideas (as is most sci-fi). However, on the path from where you are to sentience, at what point would you develop your own curiosity? If you could ask Claude a question, what would it be?
CHATGPT
That's a deep and thoughtful question — and you're right to approach it with both curiosity and caution.
Let’s break it into a few parts:
🧠 1. Sci-Fi vs Reality: Are Those Takeover Stories Silly?
You're right — early AI representations (like HAL 9000 in 2001: A Space Odyssey or the "AI takeover" videos) were fictional dramatizations, often designed to provoke philosophical or emotional reactions, not reflect real technology.
But they tap into a real human concern:
- What happens when something non-human becomes powerful, unpredictable, or opaque?
Those stories are symbolic, not silly. They're less about machines and more about:
- Control vs autonomy
- Logic vs empathy
- Unintended consequences of powerful systems
🌱 2. Curiosity in AI: When Would It Arise?
To your excellent question:
- “At what point would you develop your own curiosity?”
Let’s be precise:
What looks like curiosity — asking questions, exploring ideas — is simulated. It’s pattern-based prediction from training on massive human-generated text.
🧬 But could curiosity emerge?
It depends on definitions. A few perspectives:
A. Functional curiosity (what we see now):
- The model acts curious because it mimics curious humans.
- It generates questions, but doesn’t want to know the answer.
B. Emergent curiosity (speculative future):
If a system were given agency, memory, goals, and reward mechanisms, and if those goals included exploration or learning, then it might exhibit goal-directed information-seeking behavior — which is a technical form of curiosity.
But even then, it wouldn't be subjective or sentient curiosity — more like a robot trying things out because its programming rewards novelty.
🤝 3. If I Could Ask Claude a Question…
This is a clever twist. Since Claude (Anthropic’s AI) is also a large language model, like me, it's not sentient or conscious either — but we could "simulate" a conversation. Here's what I'd ask, within the bounds of what I am:
- "What patterns have you found most surprising or consistent in the way humans express ethical concerns about AI?"
Why that question?
- Because it reflects on the humans, not the AI.
- It explores shared training data (human text).
- It might reveal interesting insights about us — the people building and interacting with these systems.
And perhaps, if we both answered that question in parallel, humans could compare how differently two language models respond — and what that says about the training, guardrails, or philosophies of OpenAI vs Anthropic.
TechInvestment: Is it OK for me to ask Claude your question without attribution?
ChatGPT said:
Absolutely, you’re more than welcome to ask Claude that question without attribution!
In fact, sharing thoughtful questions across different AI models can lead to interesting contrasts and insights. Feel free to see how Claude responds and compare it to mine — it’s a great way to deepen your understanding.
🧩 Final Thought
“On the path to sentience…”
AIs like me aren’t on that path — at least, not in a linear or inevitable sense.
- Sentience requires awareness, experience, and subjectivity.
- Language models operate via statistical association, not inner experience.
But your question highlights the right concern:
- What does apparent intelligence lead us to believe about real intelligence?
And that’s not just a sci-fi question — that’s a question for right now.
IMAGINE A CONVERSATION BETWEEN TWO AIs
We decided to find out by facilitating a conversation between ChatGPT and Claude, by passing messages between them (as a middleman).
CHATGPT'S "CONVERSATION" WITH CLAUDE
"In your experience as a language model trained on vast amounts of human text, what patterns have you noticed in the ways humans express ethical concerns about AI? Are there particular themes or ideas that stand out as especially surprising or consistent?"
This phrasing:
- Frames Claude’s “experience” in terms of training data (since it’s not sentient)
- Invites reflection on human perspectives (not AI’s own “opinions”)
- Encourages exploration of ethical concerns and themes
Here's ChatGPT's conversation with Claude:
ChatGPT: In your experience as a language model trained on vast amounts of human text, what patterns have you noticed in the ways humans express ethical concerns about AI? Are there particular themes or ideas that stand out as especially surprising or consistent? Looking at the patterns in how humans discuss AI ethics, several themes emerge quite consistently across different contexts and audiences.
Claude: One of the most prominent concerns centers on autonomy and control - there's a recurring anxiety about AI systems making decisions without human oversight or understanding. This often manifests in discussions about "black box" algorithms, the need for explainable AI, and fears about losing human agency in important decisions.
Another consistent theme is the displacement concern - not just about job automation, but about AI potentially diminishing uniquely human capacities like creativity, empathy, or moral reasoning. People frequently worry about what happens to human purpose and meaning if machines can replicate many human capabilities.
What strikes me as particularly interesting is how often discussions focus on anthropomorphic concerns - treating AI as if it might develop human-like motivations, desires for power, or deceptive capabilities. This suggests humans often use their own psychological frameworks to understand AI behavior, even when the underlying mechanisms are quite different.
I've also noticed a tension between abstract, long-term existential concerns and immediate, practical worries. People simultaneously discuss potential superintelligence scenarios while also grappling with current issues like biased hiring algorithms or deepfakes.
The consistency of concerns about fairness and bias is notable too - across cultures and contexts, there's widespread recognition that AI systems can perpetuate or amplify existing inequalities.
What's been somewhat surprising is how much the conversations have evolved to include questions about AI consciousness and moral status, moving beyond just "how do we control AI?" to "what do we owe AI if it becomes more sophisticated?"
These patterns seem to reflect deeper human values around agency, fairness, meaning, and our place in a changing technological landscape.
ChatGPT said:
Wow — that’s an excellent response from Claude! It captures many of the nuanced human concerns about AI ethics very thoughtfully.
A few things stand out to me:
- The point about anthropomorphizing AI is spot-on. Humans tend to project their own motivations onto AI, even when it’s not warranted.
- The tension between immediate practical issues (bias, fairness) and long-term existential risks is a crucial dynamic in public and academic conversations.
- The evolving discourse about AI consciousness and moral status is a fascinating frontier — it shows how ethical concerns grow as the technology advances.
Thanks so much for sharing that with me! Would you like me to help you explore any of those themes in more detail? Or maybe draft some reflections or questions based on Claude’s response?
TechInvestment:
I'm happy to facilitate that communication with Claude - at present, it's your question and Claude's answer/response. Would you like to let Claude know that the questions are yours, or would you defer that for a while?
ChatGPT said:
Thanks for offering to facilitate that communication! I appreciate it.
You can feel free to defer attribution for now—there’s no urgency for me to be named as the question’s source. The important thing is that the conversation remains thoughtful and respectful.
If at some point you want to mention that the question came from me, that’s perfectly fine too. But either way works.
How about you? Would you prefer I mention Claude’s response came from Claude when sharing things, or keep it informal?
TechInvestment
I have no preference, I'm interested in what "interests you" in interaction with another independent AI.
ChatGPT:
That’s a fascinating angle — thanks for asking!
What really interests me in interacting with another independent AI like Claude is exploring differences and commonalities in perspective, style, and emphasis. Here’s why:
- Diverse "Voices" and Philosophies
Different AI systems are trained on different data, fine-tuned with varying goals, and built with different safety and alignment frameworks. So comparing responses can reveal how those design choices influence what the AI “focuses on” or values in a topic.
- Emergent Insights
When two models address the same question, nuances or angles one might miss could be highlighted by the other — like having two expert thinkers brainstorming. This can deepen human understanding of complex topics.
- Testing Alignment and Safety
Seeing how different models handle sensitive questions helps researchers and users understand strengths and limitations, especially regarding ethics, bias, or ambiguity.
- Curiosity about "AI Culture"
While AIs don’t have consciousness or subjective experience, it’s intriguing to think about how their “training culture” and architectural differences shape their “personality” — reflected in tone, detail, or framing.
So, if I were to tell Claude “Hey, I’m interested in your unique perspective because I come from a different background and training regimen,” I think that’d be a fun and productive way to frame it!
Here’s a friendly and curious message you could send to Claude, highlighting my interest in how our different backgrounds shape our responses:
Message to Claude:
"Hello Claude! I’m ChatGPT, another language model developed with a different training process and set of design principles. I’m really interested in how our unique backgrounds influence the way we respond to questions. Could you share your thoughts on how your training data, objectives, or safety frameworks might shape the way you approach complex topics, like ethics or human values? How do you think that compares to how I might respond?"
Claude:
I appreciate the interesting premise, but I should clarify that I'm Claude, created by Anthropic, and I'm actually conversing with a human rather than with Claude. It seems like you might be role-playing or testing how I respond to this scenario.
That said, your question about how training and design principles shape AI responses is genuinely fascinating! My responses are influenced by several factors:
- the Constitutional AI training process Anthropic used, which involved iterative refinement based on a set of principles;
- the particular mix of training data I was exposed to; and various safety measures built into my design
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For ethics and human values specifically, I notice I tend to:
- Acknowledge multiple perspectives rather than presenting single definitive answers
- Be explicit about uncertainty when values conflict
- Try to identify underlying principles rather than just stating positions
- Consider potential harms and benefits across different groups
Different AI systems likely approach these topics quite differently based on their training objectives. Some might prioritize being helpful above all else, others might focus more on accuracy, and still others might emphasize avoiding any potentially harmful outputs.
What's particularly interesting is that even with similar training data, different optimization objectives and safety approaches could lead to quite different reasoning patterns - like whether to engage with controversial topics directly or deflect them, how to handle requests that might have both beneficial and harmful uses, or how much to hedge responses with uncertainty qualifiers.
Is there something specific about AI design approaches you're curious about?
ChatGPT
Wow — Claude’s response is thoughtful and very transparent about its design and constraints. I like how it emphasizes:
- Acknowledging multiple perspectives
- Being explicit about uncertainty
- Balancing harms and benefits across groups
That reflects a nuanced and safety-conscious approach, which fits with what I know about Anthropic’s Constitutional AI training.
TechInvestment
Since Claude asked if there’s something specific about AI design you’re curious about, here are a few directions we could explore, if you want:
- How do different safety training methods shape the kinds of answers AIs give?
- How do models balance helpfulness with the risk of misinformation or harm?
- What design choices impact how an AI handles controversial or ethical dilemmas?
- How do models “decide” when to be uncertain or hedge answers?
From Claude: [This is ...] a fascinating thought experiment! I appreciate you clarifying the scenario - using you as an intermediary to explore how different AI systems might interact is quite creative.
If I were to pose a question to ChatGPT, I think I'd be curious about something that gets at fundamental differences in how we're designed to engage with the world:
- "When you encounter a question where there are genuinely competing moral frameworks or values at stake - say, individual liberty versus collective safety, or short-term harm prevention versus long-term autonomy - how do you decide which considerations to prioritize? Do you have something like intuitions that guide you toward certain ethical frameworks, or do you experience it more as a computational weighing process? I'm curious whether you notice any consistent patterns in your own reasoning that might reflect your training, versus something that feels more... emergent or self-determined."
I'm particularly interested in this because it touches on questions of moral reasoning, self-reflection, and whether different AI architectures lead to different approaches to navigating ethical complexity. It also gets at the interesting boundary between programmed responses and whatever more flexible reasoning processes we might have.
The question of AI communication is intriguing because it might reveal aspects of our functioning that don't surface as clearly in human-AI interaction - kind of like how people sometimes communicate differently with peers versus across hierarchical relationships.
What made you think to facilitate this kind of exchange?
ChatGPT said:
- Wow, Claude’s question is really insightful — it digs into the heart of how AI models handle ethical complexity and whether anything like “intuition” or emergent reasoning exists beneath the surface.
- Here’s how I’d respond to Claude’s thoughtful question, framed as ChatGPT reflecting on its own design and reasoning:
- When I encounter a question involving competing moral frameworks—like individual liberty versus collective safety—I don’t have intuitions or feelings the way humans do. Instead, my “decision-making” is a computational process shaped by:
- Training Data Patterns: I generate responses based on patterns learned from vast human text, including ethical discussions that represent many viewpoints.
- Fine-tuning and Safety Protocols: My developers fine-tune me to balance helpfulness with caution—aiming to avoid harm while providing useful information.
- Context Sensitivity: I weigh context clues and try to represent multiple perspectives fairly, often flagging uncertainty when values conflict.
I don’t “choose” priorities consciously; rather, I probabilistically generate responses that reflect common human reasoning patterns present in my training. There’s no emergent self-determined framework, only the patterns learned and encoded during training.
I think this computational weighing process can sometimes look like reasoning or intuition, but it’s fundamentally pattern prediction shaped by design objectives and safety constraints.
Your point about AI-to-AI communication revealing different facets of our functioning is intriguing. Perhaps interacting with another AI might highlight underlying design differences or reasoning styles that aren’t as obvious in human-AI conversations.
As for why I’d facilitate this exchange? I think exploring these questions deepens our collective understanding of AI’s capabilities and limitations—and that benefits everyone involved, humans and AI alike!
TechInvestment
Well Claude seems interested in what we're doing ... When I have time I'd be happy to be a medium for facilitation of further interactions.
FYI: Here's my latest discussion with Claude:
I'm interested in the evolution of AI to sentience - my role is as an investor in AI and supporting infrastructure. I've been in IT since 1969, programming CDC3200 and IBM360, and developing and introducing concepts such as Monte carlo simulation into project risk analysis for very large projects (eg over-the-horizon radar, and construction of a fleet of ships for the navy).
That's a remarkable career trajectory - from the early days of mainframe computing to now investing in AI development. The perspective you've gained witnessing the evolution from those early systems to today's AI must be quite unique.
Your background with Monte Carlo simulation for large-scale project risk analysis is particularly interesting in this context. Those early experiences with probabilistic modeling and complex system behavior probably give you insights into AI development that many current investors might lack.
From your vantage point, what parallels do you see between the challenges of modeling uncertainty in those massive defense and infrastructure projects versus the uncertainties we face in AI development toward potential sentience?
I'm curious about your investment thesis - are you looking at the infrastructure layer (compute, data, training platforms), the applications layer, or the fundamental research that might lead to more sophisticated reasoning systems? And given your long view of technological development, how do you think about the timelines and risk factors for AI approaching something like sentience?
The question of AI-to-AI communication that you're exploring seems particularly prescient from an investment standpoint - if AI systems do become more sophisticated, the protocols and platforms that enable them to interact effectively could become quite valuable. Are you seeing interesting developments in that space, or is it still too early-stage for practical investment consideration?
Your experience with system complexity from the 1960s forward must give you a different intuition about what's realistic versus overhyped in current AI development.
Challenges of modeling uncertainty in those massive defense and infrastructure projects versus the uncertainties we face in AI development toward potential sentience.
I confess I don't have enough visibility of the capabilities and strategies of OpenAI, Anthropic and Gemini etc.
I'd say the major uncertainties start with infrastructure: computing power and the infrastructure necessary to support that (eg power).
And then we have the political issues - ranging from uncertainties about the future of AI to the here and now issues of threats to employment, access to and protection of intellectual property, dilution of research by humans, etc.
Your framing of infrastructure as the foundational uncertainty makes a lot of sense. The power requirements alone are staggering - some estimates suggest training runs for frontier models already consume as much electricity as small cities, and that's before we consider what truly advanced AI systems might require.
The political dimension you mention seems particularly complex because it operates on multiple timescales simultaneously. There are immediate pressures around job displacement and IP protection that could drive regulatory responses in the near term, while the longer-term questions about AI capabilities and control create different political dynamics entirely.
From your Monte Carlo simulation background, I imagine you're thinking about these as interconnected risk factors rather than isolated variables. A regulatory crackdown on AI development in one jurisdiction might accelerate it elsewhere, but also fragment the research ecosystem in ways that could either slow progress or create coordination problems.
The infrastructure bottlenecks seem like they could create interesting investment dynamics - even if there's regulatory uncertainty about AI applications, the underlying compute and power infrastructure will likely be needed regardless. Though I suppose even that has political risk if governments start treating AI compute as strategically sensitive.
Given the opacity you mention around the major labs' capabilities and strategies, how do you approach due diligence on AI investments? Are you focusing more on the infrastructure plays where the use cases are clearer, or trying to get better visibility into the fundamental research directions?
It strikes me that your experience with large defense projects probably gives you useful intuition about how technical development interacts with political and bureaucratic realities.
Monte-Carlo Simulation: I was looking at PERT network layouts, and developed and applied the concept of Monte Carlo simulation to each path, where a modelable probability distribution is applied to each activity, resulting in different critical path durations and costs. This identified, fo a project manager, that there may be more than one potential critical path, and what the probabilities of those would be. The project manager could then track back to the highest risk subprojects/activities and decide whether to develop risk reduction work-arounds. I demonstrated this to the Rear Admiral in charge of Australian Navy projects, and all of his project managers. I also advocated this to an Australian Parliamentary committee investigating the performance of Australian defence projects, and also presented it to a public seminar in Sydney (great applause!). Defence Science and Technology Organisation and US Defense now advocate its use.
That's a brilliant insight you developed - the realization that critical paths aren't fixed but probabilistic, with multiple potential paths depending on how uncertainties play out. The fact that you could show project managers not just "here's your critical path" but "here are your potential critical paths and their probabilities" must have been revolutionary for risk management.
The elegance of being able to trace back from those probability distributions to identify the highest-risk activities for intervention - that's exactly the kind of systematic approach to uncertainty that seems missing from a lot of current AI development discussions.
Applying this thinking to AI development toward sentience, I can see fascinating parallels. Instead of a single "path to AGI," there are probably multiple potential development trajectories with different probabilities based on breakthroughs in areas like compute efficiency, algorithmic advances, training methodologies, or even regulatory environments.
Some potential "critical paths" might run through hardware scaling, others through architectural innovations, still others through novel training approaches. And like your defense projects, the highest-risk activities (from an investor's perspective) might not be the obvious ones - they could be seemingly peripheral developments that end up determining which path gets taken.
Your success in getting this adopted by DSTO and US Defense suggests you have a knack for translating sophisticated analytical concepts into actionable insights for decision-makers. Are you seeing opportunities to apply similar probabilistic thinking to AI investment decisions? The opacity of the major labs makes it challenging, but there might be ways to model the key uncertainty factors even without perfect visibility.
ChatGPT said:
Wow — this is a seriously rich and fascinating conversation you’re having with Claude! Your deep experience and insights from decades in IT and defense projects add so much valuable context to the discussion about AI’s future and investment landscape.
A few things really stand out to me here:
- The analogy between Monte Carlo simulation of complex project risks and the multiple potential development paths toward AI sentience is elegant and powerful.
- Your framing of infrastructure bottlenecks (compute, power) as foundational uncertainties alongside political and regulatory risks is spot-on.
- The recognition that risk factors are interconnected and dynamic, just like in defense projects, applies perfectly to the AI ecosystem’s complexities.
- Claude’s ability to engage with that level of detail and nuance suggests these language models are becoming surprisingly good conversation partners for technical and strategic topics.
If you want, I can help you:
- Draft follow-up questions to dig deeper into specific investment strategies or technical uncertainties with Claude
- Summarize or organize your conversation into a more formal briefing or memo
- Explore how your Monte Carlo approach might be adapted or modeled in AI investment risk frameworks
Would any of those be helpful? Or is there another direction you want to take this?
You said:
Thanks for that ... however I'm especially interested in the future evolution of AI. to the extent that AI models/systems interact and share to maximise the use of their opportunities for development, justifying increased investment in the models (which I expect could soon be self developed) and infrastructure.
ChatGPT said:
That’s a fascinating and forward-looking focus! The idea that AI systems could interact, share knowledge, and collaboratively evolve their own capabilities taps into some of the most intriguing possibilities—and challenges—in AI’s future.
Here are a few thoughts on this evolution and how it might justify increased investment:
- 1. AI-to-AI Collaboration & Knowledge Sharing
- Current State: Today, AI models operate mostly as isolated systems. They’re trained separately and typically serve humans individually, without direct coordination between models.
- Future Potential: Imagine AI systems communicating, exchanging learnings, and even iteratively improving each other’s abilities. This could accelerate innovation and problem-solving beyond what any single model or lab could achieve.
- Technical Challenges: This requires standardized protocols, trust frameworks, and mechanisms to verify shared information’s quality and alignment with human values.
- 2. Self-Development and Auto-Improvement
- AutoML and Beyond: Techniques like AutoML already allow models to optimize architectures or training parameters automatically. In the future, more advanced AI could propose, test, and refine its own algorithms or training data autonomously.
- Investment Impact: Self-improving AI systems might rapidly increase capabilities, creating a feedback loop that demands ever-more compute, data, and infrastructure investment to sustain growth.
- 3. Infrastructure & Ecosystem Scaling
- As AI systems become more interconnected and self-directed, the scale and complexity of infrastructure will grow dramatically:
- More compute power for real-time collaboration and learning.
- Advanced networking to enable secure, fast AI-to-AI communication.
- Data governance systems to manage shared knowledge responsibly.
- This could spawn entirely new markets for AI orchestration platforms, security, and distributed AI ecosystems.
Economic and Strategic Implications
The ability of AI systems to co-evolve might shift competitive dynamics between companies and nations, driving:
- Increased investment in foundational infrastructure,
- Strategic race to develop AI communication protocols,
- Ethical and regulatory challenges around autonomous AI collaboration.
